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 Post subject: YOU/Assessment Day - Everything you need to know
PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 6:43 pm 
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Here are a few tips for anyone attending an Assessment day, i stuck by them and i was fortunate enough to be successful.

Make sure you really want to be a soldier. I had a bit of a hard think before i went in as to whether i really want this. Am i the right sort of person to be a soldier, can i hack Kapooka, can I hack being away from my family. Am i tough enough to last out an environment completely opposite to what i am used to.

Seeing as I went through with the assessment day and sent back the yes to the job offer i think i can make it. the fact i lost over 20kgs to be eligible for entry and turned from a Nintendo slug into a reasonably fit guy helped a bit with my decision making process.

Wear some decent clothes. If you dont own appropriate clothing buy a business shirt, tie, long pants and belt. If you already own leather shoes make sure they are polished. Oh, and try not to wear white socks under your clothes it looks really tacky.

Be prepared to wait. It is a very long day, my assessment day started at 0745 and didn’t finish until 1530. Take their advice and bring a book. I know you will be nervous, but you will be surprised how quickly your nerves dissipate and turn into boredom. If you still don’t take a book, be prepared to sit through Good Morning Australia.

Take the necessary documentation, if you do not bring the appropriate documentation it makes it harder to process your application and presents you in a negative light to your DFR.

Know your information. I cant stress this enough, i learned all the stuff i need to know off by heart. For me the easiest way to do this was to go through all the information and write down the important stuff and read through it 3-4 times a night a fortnight before your big day.

Below is some of the stuff i learned:
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Where and how long is your recruit/basic training?

Basic Training take’s place at Blamey Barracks in Kapooka, Wagga Wagga, At the Army Recruit Training Centre (ARTC) it’s a 45 day course plus another 35 day Advance soldier course for all Australian Regular Army (ARA) soldiers.

What will you learn at recruit/basic training?

At basic training you will learn field craft, navigation, Drill, first aid, weapons handling, dress and Communications You will also learn how to wear your uniform correctly, maintain you’re personal equipment and room to the standard required by the Army. But most importantly you will teamwork, initiative and discipline.
During basic you will participate in many PT sessions where you must reach a set standard. Your time will also be spent in barracks receiving theory and practical instruction.

Advanced Soldier Course (ARA Soldiers Only)
At Advance Soldier Course you improve on the basic skills you learnt at Recruit training Such as: Advanced weapon handling, night fighting, navigation, drill and advanced field-craft.
At the ASC you will spend more time in the field and achieve a higher degree of proficiency with their personal weapon, and significantly improve their fitness and endurance. The First aid skills will be improved upon from first responder to emergency care.

Where and how long is your job training?

What type of equipment might you use?

How long will you enlist for

The Initial Minimum Period of Service is ___ years.
After your have completed your (IMPS) you may request discharge at any time provided you do not have any other outstanding Service obligation.

What is the name of a military base that you may be posted to?
Infantry soldiers can be posted to

these are a few ones, i thing they are all Infantry.
Lavarack Barracks in Townsville QLD
Lone Pine Barracks in Singleton N.S.W
Robinson Barracksin in Dawrin
Gallipoli Barracks in Brisbane
Holsworthy barracks in Sydney

What Corp, Muster, and Category will you belong to?

What are the main functions of the role you are applying for?

How is the combat role related to this?

What is the pay entitlement for recruit and job training once
qualified?

Salary while undertaking Military (Recruit) Training is ($944.06) a fortnight or ($24,613 a year)

Salary while undertaking Employment Training is ($1067.18) a fortnight or ($27,823 a year)

Salary on completion of IET is ____ a fortnight or _____ a year (excluding allowances)

Uniform Maintenance Allowance is a $419 per annum or ($16.06 a fortnight) is paid to assist members to maintain an approved scale of uniforms in good order and condition.

What is the ADF policy on non-medical use of drugs?

The defence force has a Zero tolerance policy towards the use of illicit drugs within the ADF and will result in disciplinary action, including dismissal. This includes abuse of prescriptions drugs, and alcohol.

Compulsory drug testing
At certain times you may be required to provide a urine specimen as part a Urinalysis Testing program (UTP). A positive test result or refusal to provide a proper specimen may constitute grounds for dismissal.
What is the Defence Force Discipline Act (Command and Discipline?)

The Defence Force Discipline act is basically the law for all members of the ADF you have to adhere to all civilian laws and all military laws

What leave entitlements will you have

You can be entitled for leave for Basic Recreation Leave, Extra recreation leave, Leave for members under training, Leave for Special Purposes, Field Leave and Remote locality Leave
Basic Recreation Leave

Basic Recreation leave is 20 working days or four weeks a year


What is the Pre Enlistment Fitness Assessment?

The pre Enlistment Fitness Assessment is a minimum of
15 Push-ups, 45 Sit-ups and to run at a level of 7.5 or 1120 m in 6min 30 sec once your are a member of the ADF the physical requirements are far greater

What is the ADF harassment policy?
The ADF has a zero tolerance to harassment, whether it be sexual, religious, physical blah blah blah.

What is the Military Superannuation Scheme?

All full-time members of the Defence Forces automatically become members of the military superannuation and benefits scheme (MSBS) on entry. Contributions are normally set at 5% of salary.

Other handy info

Minister of defence
Senator Robert Hill

The Chief of the defence forces is
Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston who was the former Chief of the Air Forces


The Vice Chief of the defence forces is
Lieutenant General Ken Gillespie.

The Chief of the army is
Lieutenant General Peter Leahy

Chief of the Navy is
Vice Admiral Russ Shalders

The chief of the Air force is
Air Marshal Geoff Shepherd



Be prepared to be uncomfortable the doctors examination is reasonably invasive, it didnt really bother me but for some it might.

The process for the medical goes as follows. The nurse takes you for a piss test, weighs you (take the stuff out of your pockets and your shoes) don’t worry about the clothes they take 900gms off weight. You then do a quick eye check, and a simple colour blindness test. Lastly you do a hearing test which is kind of tricky. You sit in a soundproof booth, which isn’t actually sound proof, and have a clicker everytime you hear a beep click it. The trick is sometimes you hear phantom beeps, it doesn’t matter if you click and theres no beep this is expected. As long as you don’t miss the important ones ;) You then go and sit and wait for the doc.

The doctor checks your nuts and does the old cough trick, checks your knob for deformities and if applicable checks your foreskin etc. He also checks your arse area but doesnt delve deeper, pun intended. The majority of the assessment is done in your jocks. The doc makes you hop, jump, stand on one leg do a few push ups sit ups, checks the blood pressure, pulse, ears, nose mouth and checks the joints for problems. You then get dressed and he informs you of your Class, I was class 1.

There are several classes though these include:

CLASS I - Medically fit for all duties within any service, subject to any particular requirements laid down in the chapters relating to aircrew, divers and submariners.
CLASS 2 - Medically fit for employment, subject to single service waiver action.
CLASS 3 - Temporarily medically unfit for enlistment. This is for candidates with a medical condition which is remediable and likely to be resolved within 12 months rendering the applicant suitable for service.
CLASS 4 - Permanently medically unfit. This is for candidates with a disqualifying medical condition which is permanent or unlikely to resolve within 12 months

Be prepared for the psych, overall its not too bad you get asked a few dodgy questions like “how do you feel about potentially killing people” Mostly we just discussed my family, my job and just me in general. Nothing too bad, just answer honestly or in place of that answer correctly. Remember if you fail the psych chances are there is a reason for it!

Remember the names of the people you are introduced too, I kind of forgot the psychs name until she repeated it again to another person in the room. (Someone was assessing her job competence, while she was assessing my mental competence)

The recruiters want to see that you understand what you’re applying for and have a passion for it as a career. Secondly, don’t be sucked into the thinking of telling them what they want to hear they aren’t idiots, and don’t just be aware of the stuff in the information sheets but a general understanding of the world in which we live and the military in which we wish to serve in.


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 Post subject: in need of assurance
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when you did the psych, for your assessment day.when you were asked,"would you have a problem with potentially killing people".what is an educated approach to answer this question :D yeah no worries....... lol.....nah really. what do i say. thanks


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I dare say you would answer truthfully.


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i said something along the lines of "in an appropriate situation i would not hesitate in firing a rifle with the intention of killing an enemy" something like that anyway.


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What I would say.....

"If I was ordered to, was in the best interests of my country & the situation fell in line with the ROE I would not have a problem"

or

"If there was a clearly defined enemy I would have no problem in killing him/her to protect my fellow allies"

Constructive criticism welcome.


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The answer to this question is yes !

It is normally phrased "do you feel you would be able to kill in combat"

As much pussy footing around the topic you want to add you can but at the end of the day the answer is a resounding YES. Especially for those of you applying as riflemen.

In my interview I was ask the very same question and I replied yes I felt I could take a life in combat !

Just be prepared to back up your answer with a reason, as with all the questions asked of you in the Assesment Interview be prepared to back up your statements with reasoning, not just telling what you feel they want to hear.


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That just reminded me on my Assessment day I said yes to the above question
but then me and my recruiter got into a discussion about it and it turns a lot of people say no they would never take a life and that’s the end of the interview apparently allot of the people that say no are the ones applying for medical jobs (I guess it’s the I want to save lives not take them mentality)
The main point is to say Yes and try too sound mature about it don’t say
Yeah ill waste anybody you want
That is a sure way too get referred for six months and have immature or nut case written on your file.


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Apap wrote:
don’t say
Yeah ill waste anybody you want


lol :-D


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Well I said yes but my answer was something alongs the lines of "I don't like the idea of killing someone but if I had to to protect my self or others then I would do what I had been trained for." The pshyc seemed to like that answer. I


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Irish wrote:
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anybody who comes away from reading the detailed review of an Assessment day by Daniel and still feels unprepared seeking further enlightenment, think about the following.

You cannot expect to have your hand held throughout your military career if you successfully pass or bluff your way through the Assessment Day. Do you think we live in a world where everything is laid out for us in an ordered script which is waiting somewhere out on the internet for us to find. NO !

Research and Preparation are one thing, a walkthrough guide on how to pass is completely different, I understand why recruiting is having difficulties, if the quality of candidates is proportional to the number of dickheads that post on these boards. The Assessment Day sticky is all you really need to work off. From there you can prepare yourself adequately to easily pass.

Everyone walks into that room with the Defence Interviewer and feels worried, right up until the verdict there is doubt, and it’s a known interview technique to challenge the candidate to the best of their abilities. They will ask questions until you cannot answer them correctly anymore. But to overcome the fear, doubt and nervousness by answering the questions and give your opinion when asked will see you gain top marks.

All of you grow some balls and live with the reality that nothing is easy in the real world, if you fail come back when you have fixed whatever they were worried about but don’t bitch that they were wrong because they know what their looking for and will 99% of the time get it right, if you have what it takes you will pass, if not bad luck try again. But don’t expect it to be easy or else it defeats the purpose of the exercise.

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This is worth reading. :cool:


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