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 Post subject: 15 tips for joining SF.
PostPosted: Tue May 10, 2005 5:36 pm 
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1) Join the military. I am not trying to be funny but getting to selection fitness before Kapooka is a waste of time, also you may find military life much different to what you imagined and will quickly decide spending long periods outside your comfort zone not such a great idea after all. If you really want to train up hard then just do a lot of pack marching/bushwalking. The athletic fitness requirements are easy to reach but endurance is a mental ability as well as physical.

2) Join the Army. Unless you want to be a CD (in which case the direct entry scheme is a good deal) the Navy and Airforce are going to make it harder. Service transfers are a bitch and can take years.

3) Join the Infantry. 95% of SF come from Infantry. If you want to hedge your bets go ahead, but if you hate Infantry you probably won't like SF anyway so it’s a good way to get a feel for it. Most things you can learn in the army that will set you up for later life as a civilian have a ROSO and they will not want to lose you to SF once they have spent the money giving you skills.

4) Don't worry that Kapooka sucks and keep your mouth shut about your plans. The instructors you look up to as hard and squared at Kapooka you will probably laugh about later. Most of them will consider you telling them you aim for SF as the same as you saying 'I think I am better than you' as they never tried out or if they did, failed. If you love marching around, saluting, painfully anal range shoots and all the other bullshit you learn there then you most likely wont like SF. Also be aware that you will most likely lose fitness at Kapooka because you don’t do much and its all piss weak.

5) Lie to the medics when you are getting tested. Unless its impossible to hide, tell them you have never even had a scratch, your shins never hurt when running in boots and you absolutely never had any hint of respiration problems from hay fever or asthma.

6) Lie to the psychs but be careful. Be aware the majority of SF guys were not the A kids that behaved. Many were nothing but trouble at school. The psychs know this but don’t come across like and angry nutcase. It should be obvious what questions to lie about. You are probably going to be tested again in your career, so try to remember some of the bullshit you made up.

7) When training for selection follow the program listed on this site. Its tried and tested and been used by many. If you can complete it you are physically ready. While on it eat and eat. Carbs, protein, everything. Try to eat so much you don’t lose fat: the program is hard work. Starting with 14% body fat is a big advantage over starting with 6%.

8) As soon as you want to and are allowed go for it. Don’t listen to anyone who says you cant do it, your not fit enough, your too small, weak, stupid, etc. Let SF decide. If you have completed the program mentioned above and you get a spot on selection you will pass if you want it bad enough and don’t get injured.

9) Prep your feet and wear in some boots. The issued boots are crap, try to find out if they will allow altama’s etc on your particular course and don’t just go off the joining instruction. There are a million dumbass ways to prep and protect your feet but the simple ones work. A thin inner sock to lessen the rub and wick the moisture, a little metho after a stomp to dry and harden the skin and plenty of air when possible.

10) Keep your mouth shut on selection. None of the staff want to hear how great you are and they definitely don’t want to hear any excuses. Nor are they interested in the size of your blisters. Whimpering noises are a definite no.

11) Keep your head up. There will be times you cant help but look completely fu*ked, but if you can maintain a degree of control over your appearance. Looking tired is ok, looking pathetic is bad.

12) If your not Infantry get with one and learn how to live in the field. Pogo’s can be spotted a mile away, they are pigs that spread shit everywhere, have essential kit in the centre of their pack, cant eat tactically etc etc. Just standing around in marching order you can tell a pogue from a grunt by the way they wear their pack. If you pass selection you may not pass the patrol course/ other courses because you cant learn the essentials quick enough.

13) Get an alice pack. The standard issue pack is useless. At the absolute least get an alice frame.

14) Train in the gear you are taking on course, in the same configuration. You don’t want to be testing new kit or configurations just before, or during testing.

15) Prepare to be out of your comfort zone. This seems easy while on the couch at home but you really want to know what its like before you start. Feeling like you absolutely cant go on but just focusing on the next 5 steps is an essential.


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 Post subject: Re: 15 tips for joining SF. 2
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Also in answer to some questions: Athsma, if there is any way you think you could possibly pretend it came up after you joined then dont mention it. A lot of guys once in (not at kapooka) pull out their puffers and there is no problem.

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1) Would you rate swimming as an important factor? I have been swimming quite a bit and would like to know if its worth it.

2) About the gear. Can candidates take all of their own gear to selection? Or are they all given the same stuff one they arrive to Swanbourne?


The swimming is a joke. 400m in 18mins after a 2min tread water in cams and runners. if you can swim at all you will pass. Do it a couple times to get a feel for your time. If you have ready access to a pool then a lot of freestyle will help your shoulders for your pack straps but if time is limited swimming is not really great excersise for selection, and even a K gets boring and thats less than 20 mins of excersise.

Gear. you take all your own but it must be issued with the exception of a few items. If it was once issued at some unit you can generally get away with it but the key things are pack, webbing and boots. It changes slightly depending on the staff running it, but usually any military style boot is ok (if you think you are pushing the limit take a worn in pair of terra's also to be safe). The webbing has to be pretty much made up of issued gear and the pack can sometimes be a modified alice or wilderness pack, sometimes a stock alice. The joining instruction will probably be a stock standard thing that none of the staff have even read so if it says only terras and no alice packs call the unit and find out from one of the staff.


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7) When training for selection follow the program listed on this site. Its tried and tested and been used by many. If you can complete it you are physically ready. While on it eat and eat. Carbs, protein, everything. Try to eat so much you don’t lose fat: the program is hard work. Starting with 14% body fat is a big advantage over starting with 6%.



This is good, im at about 23% now and still losing, I aim to get down to about 14% aswell, cause its best to have energy reserve from fat rather than muscle, cause if you have no fat, you will only be doing more harm than good.


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The best tip if you want to join SF is join 1 or 2 Company. There are several benefits:

1- You can find out if the job suits you, and if you suit the job
2- You can get fully qualified and transfer across to the regs if you so desire
3- You get trained by the training platoon staff, with all the preparation that you will require to go on CTC
4- You arnt committed to a 4 year contract if things go wrong (not for you, broken, etc.)
5- You can use the experience and time to train up and go for the west


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No that is not the best tip. Its a really dumb idea.

1)Being a choko gives no real feel for reg life
2)Only if the CO agree's and most who have done that in the past have burned bridges for the rest
3)You do choko courses, easier and well known to be easier.
4)If you want to transfer then you have to sign up for 4 so you have spent a year or 2 of your life trying to get a feel for the regs (which you wont have done) you maybe transfer over where maybe you have to do all your courses over in which case you have just wasted 2 years. If you break yourself in the army you get out before the 4 years anyway.
5)You wont be received as well in perth as a reg.

Many regs have little time for choko's and if and when a choko wants to go reg they first have to shake the the pre formed impression that they will be lazy and worthless. To add to which you will receive constant mockery for the rest of your carreer, as if you were tasmanian. It also means moving to melbourne or sydney for your part time job (and youll need a full time on to pay the rent)

If you are in any way serious about the army or SF then dont go choko first. Check point #12 as it applies to 1doand 2do jokers as well


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That is all true, nobody likes BACKDOOR BANDITS, or CHOCO SLIDERS in either of the units. More so in 4, in regards to the sliders that come across from 1cdo Regiment. Ther regs usually regard them as a drain on valuable resources. The only reason why 1cdo still exists is because there are so many politicians who have been made 'honorary members' of the unit. If you want to join the SF group, join the regs first, do the hard yards and then apply through the appropriate channels. That way you will get a feel for life as a regular soldier, which cannot be provided by 'one night a week, one weekend a month, two weeks a year'.


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That way you will get a feel for life as a regular soldier, which cannot be provided by 'one night a week, one weekend a month, two weeks a year'.


Unless you only have to work (civ) a couple of days a week. Then you can spend a lot of time with Full Time Soldiers for weeks at a time. One night, one weekend, two weeks is the minimium, keep that in mind. If you have a good boss and staff there is almost no limit to how much time you can do. 150 days is a bit of bull really.


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You're still not doing your extra days in a regular environment though. The culture isn't the same, there isn't the same amount of people around and the pace is different.


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Even if you are parading at a full time unit and you are pretty much the only reserve?


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If you're parading at a full time unit then it's different.
In this case though we're talking about the two companies and that environment isn't the same as working full time at 4RAR.


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