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 Post subject: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 12:37 am 
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Hi, can anyone identify the gentleman in the attached image? I was thinking General Birdwood or Edmund Allenby. It looks like the British 1901 pattern uniform but I'm not certain.

Many thanks for any suggestions.

The other badge looks like 27th Battalion colours? It's actually more red than brown. Any other suggestions?

Regards

Ellisg


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:16 am 
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The first badge looks more like 8th Battalion colours.
Maybe even 17th Lancers?

I'll ask around about the character in the second badge.
I think you're close to the mark though, I too immediately thought British cavalry when I saw the uniform.
How did you come into possession of them?


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 11:19 am 
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Many thanks Jimmy. I actually won them in an auction amongst many other items.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 3:54 pm 
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Looks like Field Marshal Douglas Haig...


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 4:10 pm 
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Danby wrote:
Looks like Field Marshal Douglas Haig...


The bushy moustache threw me off but I suspect you may be right!


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 4:38 pm 
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Quite a tricky one, ellisg.

The uniform is the problem. All the images I can find of senior BEF commanders in full dress uniform show epaulettes of entwined braid, without tassels. Only navy (RN) senior officers have tasselled epaulettes, but they are all either clean shaven or full-bearded, which I suspect is down to RN dress regulations. Further, all the coloured images I can find show the epaulettes and collar embroidery as gold. Neither the collar pattern nor colour on the button subject match any image found so far.

Speculatively, perhaps the badge maker started with a black and white image and used some "artistic licence" in colourising it. The position of the tasselled epaulette looks rather dodgy.

Any more details of the other objects that came with the buttons that might give a few clues to the previous owner?

WRT Birdwood, he was very popular with the AIF (which is a different thing from being a good operational commander) and was keen to become GG of Australia after the war. Many veterans supported the idea, but the Scullin Labour government was determined that the time had come for an Australian-born GG, and the appointment went to Sir Isaac Isaacs in late 1930.


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
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Midway wrote:
Quite a tricky one, ellisg.

The uniform is the problem. All the images I can find of senior BEF commanders in full dress uniform show epaulettes of entwined braid, without tassels. Only navy (RN) senior officers have tasselled epaulettes, but they are all either clean shaven or full-bearded, which I suspect is down to RN dress regulations. Further, all the coloured images I can find show the epaulettes and collar embroidery as gold. Neither the collar pattern nor colour on the button subject match any image found so far.

Speculatively, perhaps the badge maker started with a black and white image and used some "artistic licence" in colourising it. The position of the tasselled epaulette looks rather dodgy.

Any more details of the other objects that came with the buttons that might give a few clues to the previous owner?

WRT Birdwood, he was very popular with the AIF (which is a different thing from being a good operational commander) and was keen to become GG of Australia after the war. Many veterans supported the idea, but the Scullin Labour government was determined that the time had come for an Australian-born GG, and the appointment went to Sir Isaac Isaacs in late 1930.


Thanks for your comments Midway.

Unfortunately I don't have any other clues so I'm going with another suggestion of Douglas Haig. He looks a bit thinner in this profile image and the moustache not as bushy as some other photos but otherwise would be the best fit in terms of uniform (with some artistic licence).

Cheers, ellisg


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2016 8:21 pm 
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ellisg wrote:
Hi, can anyone identify the gentleman in the attached image? I was thinking General Birdwood or Edmund Allenby. It looks like the British 1901 pattern uniform but I'm not certain.

Many thanks for any suggestions.

The other badge looks like 27th Battalion colours? It's actually more red than brown. Any other suggestions?

Regards

Ellisg


Could be LORD Jellicoe RN

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=i&rct= ... 2359570329


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hdtjack wrote:


many thanks hdtjack


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 Post subject: Re: Do you know who this is?
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Definitely not Jellicoe, he never had a moustache, and I can't see it being Haig.

My money is on Allenby:
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The Roman nose, the prominent pointed chin are very similar, plus there simply weren't that many British generals who were particularly celebrated. Allenby was an outright victor, the conqueror of Jerusalem and Damascus.

For a left field pick, Kaiser Wilhelm II
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